BI-1005-99-961-7794 LEE ENFIELD NO. II* socket bayonet was used in Iraq during the Second World War and by the Iraqi Army after the end of British occupation in 1947. Hollands also wrote the serial number of the rifle in pencil on the inside of the barrel channel on wooden fore end sections - just the serial number and not the letters have been observed. Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over "S" and "B 75" over "1455". Speculation is that it may be a prototype from a design proposal that was not adopted. 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The Canopy in Ellicott City - Totally Cool With OC, Still openings for this Saturday's York IWLA Funshoot, Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section, Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses, View up to date on firearm-related events. This "last-ditch" SMLE was manufactured in 1943, and it has all the signs of a wartime firearm made in the throws of desperation. 4 Mk. Rear micrometer sight. Other than the war time Hollands originals, some of these commercial sling swivels have been retrofitted onto Npo4Ts - probably in private hands. This example came in a modified Turkish belt frog. UKSkennerton's Arms and Militaria Press. AA5081 is the stores catalogue number. Piece of cake rebarreling the old No4. These come for the Lee-Enfield No.4 MK1. Being a Mk1* we knew that though. I read that BO would indicate early 1944. You can build more Battery Ammo and .303 at the Chem bench. Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947, Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the 20th Century, British No. The No. III sniper rifle and Enfield No. Lot of 4 Vintage Tin Halloween Noisemakers. The used value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($61.94) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $563.89 . Truth be known about Enfield serial numbers is simply, the serial number was used more for production counting than any other reason. I have encountered some post-war (commercial?) The serial would be correct for early 1944 if it started with a "3" - was the "1" added somewhere else? Here's the inside story of what they found and how they're rebuilding an industry giant. Canadian Arsenals produced a run of approximately 5,000 No. 4 Mk. Then after the lessons and material losses of the BEF in Europe, the No4T was hurried into existence and the 1907 USA leather slings were applied to it as standard equipment. Most of these seem to have been released / imported in the 1980s. It is a bolt action repeating rifle with a 10 round box magazine and free floating barrel, and is chambered for the venerable Mk.VII ammunition in .303 caliber. Baird marked their bayonets two different ways: Some No. Although touted as having many advantages over the Pattern 1907, the No. I now own one and some of your information is a little off. "1951" and broad arrow proofmark, Cover (Inside): "P.S.S. With the exception of Russia, socket bayonets had long gone out of fashion in modern armies. Henry Repeating Arms recently presented a $25,000 check a nonprofit organization that provides support and programs for the families and co-workers of firefighters killed in the line of duty. Decades of experience with handguns and holsters have given the author some excellent insights into the most popular designs. Beechwood was used on some of the later war specimens and was extensively used on the rifles that were refurbished in the factories. No. The C would make it a Savage, a L would make it a Long Branch. Carries the electropenciled New Zealand property marking and serial number. I know it was made in north America I'm just wondering if it's the US or Canada. Mine is a 1943. (SMLE rifles which became the No1 MkIII and No1 MkIII* in 1926) An Enfield Rifle No4 Mk1*, a No5 Mk1 and the aussie experimental No6 Mk1/1. 4 Spike Bayonet Manufacturers Chart. Maryland Shooters is the most active and largest Maryland gun community online. [35] In the future, with a bit of luck, i should be a position to purchase an active Lee Enfield No 4. 0000000016 00000 n Anyone got a pic of that area on a Long Branch? A drain hole in the finial, allows water to drain. 2018 at 7:33am: he! Rifles are in good to very good original condition and ready to fire. Your serial No. Read my article on Bayonets for the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield Rifles. Unlike other makers of No. Seen in the picture above are the places where the serial number and manufacturer can be found. The stock was made by . The safety latch style and M47C mark are of note as is the rear pad, flush slotted screw and interestingly the screw being staked at the top. Four mouthpiece materials have been documented: Zinc Alloy (Mazak), Steel, Aluminum, and brass. No. This means Royal Ordance Factory Fazakerly, Factory Through Repair, 1949. Inspection marks on the receiver ring. This example was reworked post-War following the change from Roman to Arabic numbering. No4 mk1 is stamped on the side of the reciever. Genuine early, When the war expedient models were produced (initially with the "L" flip sight, then those selected for conversion to T status had to have the rear sight replaced with a modified micrometer sight (H&H indicated this had been done by stamping the "S" on the front of the right receiver wall ( this happened to most, but not all!) The front loop is for the forward hand - I like to use it to press the hand against the fore stock to enhance that firm fore-end grip that Enfield like - this front loop can also be adjusted for length to allow the right tautness from biceps to rifle body when in position. Cheek Piece and Screws - The birch / beech / walnut cheek piece design and material specification were first developed for the No3T - the scoped Pattern '14 rifles. The company disappeared in 1970. Hollands were contracted to produce enough swivels to retro fit all arms found in service and they were provided as an armourer spare part. British Enfied rifle No.4 in action protecting a Bren gunner. PS over K inside a circle (pictured at left) II was a simplified version, eliminating the milling cuts required to create the cruciform blade flutes. The safety latch style and M47C mark and the SM marked rear sight as as the 1945 examples above. A small number of aluminum mouthpieces are known, along with a single brass mouthpiece example (discussed below). However, the Rijkswacht (Gendarmerie) used the No. Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper, WTS/WTB/WTT (Want to Sell, Buy or Trade) Forum, Appraisals, Fakery, Dispute Resolution & Mediation Forum. This example was made in the USA by the Savage Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts. 4 Mark I rifle was adopted on Nov. 15, 1939. The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. The stocks of British manufactured examples are typically a naturally seasoned English walnut that has a moderately dark brown color and has a tight, straight grain. Interesting feedback, here are all other markings that I can find. Area Code: 443 . 0000002083 00000 n The markings were different for the different manufacturers and time periods, but they are all well documented in various books. Lee Enfield No. Date Packed: 7/8/57 0000013061 00000 n WIth the No4T there are still a couple of ways to do this - long length of either sling forward or rearward - depending on your stature and preference for adjustment. 5 SD Nov 63 4Mk. Singer produced 1,141,782 No. Popularly known as the "Victory Plastics" scabbard, it was unique in design compared to all other No. Surplus Lee-Enfield spike bayonet with scabbard/sheath. H&B With Hitler's war machine on the move, the British needed an accurate, mass-production rifle. Forging subcontractor marks tend to be very deeply struck. 0000013021 00000 n Apr 25, 2010 #2 Threeband The M1 Does My Talking 1 Enfield rifle was adopted by the United Kingdom in 1941. lightly-struck "s" During the war, the No. The No 4, Mk I* Lee-Enfield: Introduction - YouTube 0:00 / 22:26 Introduction The No 4, Mk I* Lee-Enfield: Introduction britishmuzzleloaders 83.5K subscribers Subscribe 10K 598K views. A few were parkerized at the Long Branch factory later in the war, but these examples are few and far between. Like the SMLE an all matching No4 or No5 will have all the serial numbers matching wherever they are found on a particular rifle. Only 75,000 of this type were made. Although some knife bayonet designs were considered, most types submitted utilized a cruciform blade. 4 Mk. First debuted in November 1895 as the .303 calibre, Rifle, Magazine, Lee-Enfield, the rifle has still found use today in military, sporting and ceremonial roles - over one hundred years since its inception in its original form. You must be rich. Information on the scope as well would be appreicated. Nice rifle regardless That was my original though, I know I wont get a 100g% sure answer I'm just looking for most likely. 4 bayonets. startxref According to Skennerton, 25,000 experimental MkII scabbards were manufactured by the Franco-British Electrical Company, Tempel Park, Hurley. Genuine early BSA marked T rear sight (reconditioned / polished scale face): When the war expedient models were produced (initially with the "L" flip sight, then those selected for conversion to T status had to have the rear sight replaced with a modified micrometer sight (H&H indicated this had been done by stamping the "S" on the front of the right receiver wall ( this happened to most, but not all!) This updated and expanded edition also has a ready model identification chapter and colour plates. Singer and other producers (Savage has been observed). The only maker was the Singer Manufacturing Co. (the famous sewing machine people), at their Clydebank, Scotland plant. N30 (pictured at left) by Steve Hoog 22 Mar 2012, 20:21, Post This condition remained until the end of the No4T life and the introduction of its replacement - the L42. This Mk. Sujet: Re: Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 vs Armes modernes en .308 Aujourd'hui 20:28: Pour en possder une, j'ai une tikka T3x tac en 308 , et 600m ft un temps les rsultats taient prometteurs . II bayonets during the Korean War. 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318 (Converted by Long Branch Arsenal, Ontario, Canada) c/w matching Telescopic, Sighting C No.32, Mk.I(TP) (Trade Pattern) Scope Serial # 4392S (Mfg by Lyman-Alaskan) . 4 spike bayonet. The new value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($24.62) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $603.36 . VNS mark represents "Viners Ltd. Sheffield, England" a subcontractor of Enfield parts. According to Skennerton, more than 2 million Mk. I (T) and No. . Enfield No4 Mk1 Markings I just got a No4 Mk1, and I can't figure out a few of the markings. Early blued steel mouthpiece marked: "No. 0000002950 00000 n I, with the bayonet and socket one solid forging. Both bayonet and scabbard are serial numbered. The Belgians received Lee-Enfield No. Post It was thought that these may have been used by Australian units serving alongside the British Army, however, Australian issue of these bayonets has not been confirmed. This PSK No. 4Mk. II bayonets from 19421944. Advertisements. Nearly 5 million spike bayonets were reported produced. They have a high standard of fit and finish, feel solid and robust and are a joy at the rifle range, where, due to a magic thing near exclusive to Enfields called Positive Compensation, 1000 yard accuracy can . RV# 11322, Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over a superimposed "LB". 4 Mk. 4 Mk. Specs: Savage Enfield No.4 MK1* Barrel Length: 25" Overall Length: 44.5" Caliber: .303 British Weight: 9lbs Capacity: 10 rounds Price: $600 to $1200 Ratings (out of five stars): Reliability: * * * * * It wasn't made by the French. by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 02:44, Post Savage marked their bayonets with the letter "S". The rifle pictured here is a No. not 8.8 Barrel length is 25 1/4 inches, not 25 2 inches A listing of British and Commonwealth bayonet markings is available on Bryan Browns Old Military Markings Web site. These are now hard to find in any condition, but this example is near pristine. It was a simplified version of the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield rifle that served the Empire so well in the first unpleasantness. Little is known about these British No. The factory site was razed to accommodate (apartment) flats in the mid-1980s. Mills Webbing Prototype (Reproduction) Sling. " gh" over "1 9 h". Photo to follow, when I can work out how to post one. The prefixes were assigned as follows: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, L, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T ,U, V, W, Y ,Y, Z, AA, AB, AC. Most likely Jordanian from the Arab Legion, but could also have been used by Iraq. Other Nations Service and Replacement - Differing Nations have taken equipment from Great Britain and her colonies over the decades for frontline, secondary and domestic / internal service - Such as Italy and Holland immediately after WW2 - Israel and South Africa in the 1950s and 1960s India and Pakistan have kept their Lee Enfield's up and in reserve until a few years ago. 4 Mk. 769 0 obj<> endobj Savage used variations of both a plain "s" and an "s" inside a Square. The example shown is marked M47C for BSA Shirley and is also browned. 4Mk. 4Mk. The Crown Corporation Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, made approximately 910,000 No. I've seen guys actually twist the action because they are so tight. Qty 1 F Sep 1986 P.S.S. S51 was already the war time production code for Holland and Holland - there were to make components under this code as well as convert No4 rifles tot he new T specification beginning in early 1942. The No. This lowered costs and allowed manufacture by subcontractors. Free shipping for many products! 0000001613 00000 n Savage-made bayonets are much cruder forgings than those made by either Singer or Long Branch. When the number sequence reached 9999 the next letter assigned to the factory would be substituted in place of the former. Pattern 1907 Bayonet over stamped 8 (1908) Wilkingson . The scabbard is a Mk. 4Mk. The item on the left has been rebuilt, but features other components marked "SM" for consistency. But the persistent zero problem became an annoyance. Before the war, Prince-Smith was a manufacturer of machinery for making woolen textiles. Along with this will be the model designation, and below this, the serial number. Mine only have the serial number (single letter, five numbers) on the butt socket. The Lee-Enfield rifle was first adopted by the British as a military arm in 1895 and . The Lee-Enfield bolt-action, magazine-fed, repeating rifle was the main firearm used by the military forces of the British Empire and Commonwealth during the first half of the 19th century. Buy Lee Enfield spike bayonet with scabbard No3 Mk1 No4 Mk2: GunBroker is the largest seller of Bayonets Knives & Swords All: 972734854 . The rear aperture is calibrated for 300 meters and flips up to become a ladder sight or another aperture sight calibrated for 600 meters depending on the model. The Indians did us no favors scrubbing & remarking as they did. Barrels with two, three, four, five, and six groove rifling were produced. Other makers welded the spike to the socket. During the Second World War, the British government curtailed the use of commercial trademarks to make it more difficult for the Germans to locate (and bomb) factories producing war materiel. II* bayonets from 19421945. 5 S.D. Bayonet In September 1945, nomenclature was changed to replace Roman numerals with Arabic numerals. SMLE rifle manufacturers were given no serial ranges to begin or end production with, so it is possible that two rifles may exist with the same serial number produced at different factories. It is stamped nothing at all like yours. by The_Enigma 30 Mar 2012, 09:13, Return to The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, Discussions on all aspects of the The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth during the Inter-War era and Second World War. 0000004719 00000 n 1 rifle), but changes were made to the. In 1939, the British soldier was still armed with the same rifle his father, or perhaps even his grandfather, carried. The No. "S" inside a square. II* bayonets were produced, over a million of which were produced by Prince-Smith. A round frog stud is brazed to the body. 1, Mk III, I Have This Old Gun: British Lee-Enfield No. Enfield MK1 S.M.L.E.303 British 24' barrel 1905 production This. The front curved shape of the cheek piece was prone to splitting so finger inserts and repairs are often seen hear to keep the rifle working. An increasing consensus is that this simply may be a viewer's mark, as this mark seems only to be found on Baird No. Get the best deals on Enfield Slings when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. No4 Mk2 - 1955. Rifle Serial Numbers were put on the box that all the parts of a subject rifle were taken from and stored in while it was being converted. Armourers would not make a buttstock with S51 for spare parts. 0000012831 00000 n Hollands would mark all rifles that they converted, not spare parts. 210.00. The Government assigned each manufacturer a Dispersal Code to use in lieu of their trademark. 1.5 - Added 200% more memes for all my Brazilian fans. After collating needs and the shooting thoughts of the time, a triangular sling swivel was designed to replace the front trigger guard screw on all No4Ts built after November 1944. The tooling is rough, the bayonet is little more than a . Unfired and as clean and bright as the day it was born in the Fazakerley Royal Ordnance Factory in Liverpool in 1954. The labelling indicates that this No. 2 bids. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Springfield Model 1795 Type IV Musket with State of New York Markings, US$1,600. It was a further simplification and cut down on both material costs and machine time in its construction, much as the No. The very early contracts at Holland and Holland for T conversion included selected rifles from Savage, Longbranch, Maltby and BSA (a single Fazakerley example has been documented @ 2020) - this was too much variation for the conversion process to be efficient and by early 1942 only BSA rifles were to be converted. SMLE Mk1 Forestock. Thanks. This also disbursed production, mitigating the risk of production being interrupted by bombing. So I would say the "S" mark can be used for verification of a real rifle but it is not the main course of study. Qty 1 There are almost 2 years of rifle production that did not receive this triangular sling swivel at the factory and would have it added in service - especially prolonged Cold War British service - it is still possible to encounter a rifle that was an early discharge / loss that never received the triangular swivel update. The Parker HAle PH215 series triangular sling swivel is "High Tower" and will have the triangle clear the trigger housing loop to spin 360 degrees - these are also typically bright blued or blacked. The rifle functions beautifully, I'm just trying to track things down as much as I can. 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