At one point, 24 years ago, holding a toilet brush, I laughed out loud and thought, Wow, this is not what I thought ministry would look like. Thank you, Amy, for cleaning this up. springs without water, and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved (2 Pet. Weve seen that, this last year, everything else has been shaken. I never said those ministries were okay. They are not the true church. The Lord had to show me, through his word, that by marrying Nick we would have a ten-fold impact. I would say the fawning over Christine Caine and other false teachers is more akin to being cult like. As Christians, we need to compare the current, mainstream teachings to the Israelites of the minor prophet era they were mixing in unholy sacrifice and worship. The hogwash that comes out of Caines mouth, tells me so. I think this is a site for pharisees. 2005 - sept. 20105 ans 9 mois. I dont recall anyone telling you to shut up and do as Im told, you my friend have a chip on your shoulder, and are having a hard time distinguishing between false gospel, womens rights, and your perceive notion of what is biblical and what isnt. I have not met Ms Caine in person to have a conversation with her, so I will not breach scripture and start publicly questioning her faith or berating her ministry without giving her a chance to answer any questions and concerns I may have. By calling out heresy and false teaching, we are intended to judge those that call themselves Christians, we are not to judge with bad motives or pride, we are not to judge those outside the church. What do you think you can do differently to appeal to the masses that you should be trying to save? Not every purveyor of false teaching is a lackey of the Devil. I live like a radical because I think we all should. After reading several, my discernment tells me this is nothing less than a cult. This year, people have had to cope with things they never thought theyd have to cope with. I pray those with ears to hear will find their way out. Rising from the Ashes of Abuse: Christine Caine & Jennifer Clinger - Jesus Calling Podcast Episode 68. Christine Caine treats the bible in thissermonin a similar wayhow a clairvoyant will speak vague things into a persons life as though they are predicting a persons fate/destiny. Her mother's name was listed as "Panagiota." Her father's name was listed as "Unknown" - one word with seven letters numbed her. All of us are prone to drifting if we do not stay connected to Jesus, who is this hope we have as an anchor for our soul.. When I tore my ACL while downhill skiing, the pain was excruciating, but nothing like the physical therapy afterward. This emphatic language demonstrates the fervor of Pauls attitude toward those who would modify any part of the gospel he preached. Dont hate on God s people. Although a lot of bad things happened to me, my life is a testimony that God can talk the bad things that happened to you and turn them around for his glory. 2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. That's probably why I'm so intense, passionate, and serious about my faithbecause it wasn't a light decision. . Question for you: what are you doing to follow Matthew 18 and take your questions and concerns to Christine, Joyce, etc in person? Moreover, the congregation must not behave in any way that might indicate endorsement of their false teaching. The key word: DIRECTLY. God looks out for us all, dont you agree? Learn that though life is not always fair, Jesus is NOT finished. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 5; 2 Cor. I understand a loving nudge in the right direction from a truly loving soul whos purpose in life is to point people towards heaven. Bob bless! You have yet to back up with scripture how what you are doing is the appropriate way of handling false teachers, by Denny Burk on April 8, 2014 in Christianity, Theology/Bible. Permissions We have examples in scripture where bona fide believers are the source of error in the church. Thanks, Amy! The best of Christine Caine Quotes, as voted by Quotefancy readers. God, not us, instituted the hierarchy in His church. [1] [2] gelist, Speaker, [4] [5] 2 Proponent of Word . I do not talk about ministries I have not had any sort of direct contact with. Listen in as Christine Caine joins Praise to speak about the true character of God. The key word: DIRECTLY. But if you are the kind of person who always shrinks back from conflicteither because youre afraid or because you dont want to risk offending people or risk your chance at gathering a megachurchif you always shrink back from the conflict that sound doctrine brings, then you are not qualified to be a pastor. I have felt my fervor for studying and deepening my walk with the Lord be VERY attacked by your making a similar comment. Christian Church. Im genuinely interested (as Im sure others are on this site) about how it went. That is the CLEAR difference. It is difficult not to be inspired by her passion for Jesus and her unwavering belief that God is still in the business of doing what the Bible says hes always done. I Love Christine Caines sermons Not you or anyone else will stop me from listening to her .. HAVE a nice blessed day , Maybe this doesnt have anything to do with the subject I know is that Christine came convinced my girlfriend that her parents were going to die if she didnt give her money and she ended up giving her entire savings on top of that Christine Caine told my girlfriend that her parents also had to give money but her parents did not want to give money so she tried to steal it from them and then got caught after that she bore owed money to give to christines king and Im talking thousands of dollars this is what Christine Caine did to me And my girlfriend I didnt know anything about it until it was all done Meanwhile Im watching my girlfriend go through hell because she wants all this money to give to Christine Caine anyway she possibly can get it she has turned into a nut case and there doesnt seem to be anything I can do about it so here I am Making my comment. Listen as they unp. She said its on ongoing process to stay emotionally strong. I have seen words tear apart friendships, relationships, business partnerships, and churches, and so I want to use mine responsibly. Pharisees warned of Jesus too. Christine Caine, sexually abused but saved and freed in Jesus. Kenyon (18671948) is usually given credit as the originator of Word of Faith teaching. If all were trying to do is put red meat before the congregation or drive up blog stats, thats not really a good motive. 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. Coordination with the international . Get encouraging stories and messages from Billy Graham delivered to your inbox every weekend. The Lord convicted me about that through Ms Caines message, and I will forever be grateful to Him for the message and to her for being the vessel. But dont call him a missionary, Matt Redman: Reverence in worship has become my lifelong pursuit. Her vision is to help people overcome the obstacles, hurdles and challenges of life and maximize their God-given potential and purpose. But when I was 33, I found out that I had been left in a hospital, unnamed and unwanted when I was born, and then I had been adopted. I know because the simple fact that you believe for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Did you know that Lydia and Priscilla are both listed BEFORE their husbands in the book of Acts because the writing style of the day indicated listing the LEADER of the household FIRST? Lets focus on the Love of Jesus and love love lovebe Jesus out thereChristine Cain, Joyce and all those you judge..they love the Lordperhaps u should look inward friend. evil men and impostors deceiving and being deceived (2 Ti m. 3:13) I can claim John McArthur as total heretic for some of the teachings he has preached, I can claim, Rick Warren is or any preacher. And if you think God didnt use women to lead men and women in scripture Im sure Craig Groeshel and Chris Hodges are somewhere on your false teachers list as well. 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. I needed to feel this I had to walk through my own valley, but their path seemed so much harder and darker than mine," says Caine. I will NOT throw out that message. Go take it to them personally. Discernment Progressive (Social Justice) Christianity Christine Caine is wife to Nick, mother to Catherine and Sophia, author of Undaunted, and founder of The A21 Campaign, an antihuman trafficking organization striving to abolish slavery in the 21st century. It certainly has been the fight of my life to get to the place of trusting God to redeem the broken pieces of my past for his glory. Your words are so wise Alison Jones: I am a Christian living in South Wales, UK, and ha Annie G.: It is not wrong to consecrate a day for the Lord, Greg: I agree. What do you spend most of your time worrying about?. In the meantime, I pray for truth to pervade where lies now take hold. Yes, I do know you to say such a thing. What did Jesus say? No, not really wanting to be right before God by contending for the faith biblically, of that I am guilty! - Christine Caine. Published in Testimony. She was approached by a woman citing Timothy, and that she was in the wrong and my daughter said, Well I have a hard time believing that Jesus would disallow my entrance into heaven for dedicating my life to HIS word and for bring people to HIM. Seriously wake up you people who instead of spewing hatred for people, love and let JESUS make the judgements. Thales. Jakes conferences, Joel Osteen conferences, Bethel conferences, at Perry Nobles church, Robert Morris church and conferences, Rick Warrens church, and Steven Furticks church and conferences (all to co-ed audiences) just to name a few. The couple also run a network of churches in Europe, as well as Propel Women, a ministry that aims to equip women to fulfil their God-given purpose. Those who respond to biblical correction reveal that they have the Spirit and are under the command of Jesus. I only speak on my personal experiences, what I have read, what I have heard, what I have been taught, and what interactions I participated in. THE PANDEMIC HAS CAUSED PEOPLE TO DRIFT FROM CHURCHITS TIME FOR US ALL TO CHECK OUR MARKERS. Without blemish or lies, we strive with and warn others of the impending judgement coming upon this world. "Some of my most precious ministry moments happened in those waiting rooms and hospitals," says Caine. Christine Caine twists scripture. Emma is a trustee for Christian festival Creation Fest and lives in Cornwall with her husband and two teenage daughters. Jesus called the Pharisees out to their faces. Quotes. they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. God is beyond amazing, yet Meyer and Caine trample His commandments. You may see that as liberal-feminism or call me a heretic, but I see that as the Christ in me touching the heart of someone who had lost his way. Stay in the word; get yourself around people that are going to believe in you and speak life to you. Wolf? I am not at that point where I would feel confident before Him doing the same, so I only ask that you understand. Written by Christian Movies. So Ive got to do exactly what Im telling anyone else to do. I think thats where it got into me from a very young age, thinking, what is wrong with me?, there must be something wrong with me. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple., The word mark is from (skopeo) which means to look at, behold, watch, contemplate; which is used metaphorically of looking to. It is used (Romans 16:17) of a warning against those who cause divisions, and in (Philippians 3:17) of observing those who walk uprightly that Christians might choose to walk after the example of the apostle and his fellow workers. IF YOU ARE PRAYING TO SAINTS, MARY, WELL THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO CHRIST, AS SHOULD WE, BUT NOT WORSHIP THEM. ph: +61 2 9854 7000 | fax: +61 2 9831 4999. Contact Us. (Revelation 2:20). My heart is broken and we need to pray fervently for them to open their eyes. The prolific writer and speaker has written openly about her experience of childhood sexual abuse and a raft of other challenging life events in her latest book, Unashamed. It has caused him to wrestle with weighty issues around money, mission and multiculturalism, The writer of some of the world's most popular worship songs releases his 14th album today. 3:5-9). Now, arent you judging by referring to others here as Pharisees? So we became absolutists until our faith grew enough to believe Gods plan was bigger than all of us. Spoke at Bethel Church, delivered there a false testimony and strongly unbiblical teachings. In 2015, Caine founded Propel Women, an organization that aims to empower women in Christian-related . Recalcitrance in the face of correction is dangerous, and it is why the apostles would often apply some of the most bone-chilling descriptors to unrepentant false teachers. 12 How think ye? But then I met Jesus, I was 8 years old when God gave me a prophetic vision. I dont think I ever felt I could write it before now, because its the biggest thing that Ive had to struggle with throughout my whole life and my Christian life, she said. One day all the walls that man created with denominations will fall and we will stand before our King and will most likely realize that none of us had it all rightas much as some of us might like to think. If you have won souls to Christ this way, or have gotten any of the people you attack to repent, then AMEN. My life was as far away from God at that point as you could imagine [but] I went into this seminar, and this dude speaks the gospel in a way that was just so profound to me. The examples of Apollos and Peter show us that any one of us might be subject to imbibing and disseminating false teaching. And that brings us to our second point. Presumably, Apollos responded favorably to their correction such that Paul would later identify Apollos as a co-laborer in preaching the gospel (1 Cor. Go take it to them personally. If marriage alone (or in the case of a woman) who wants to minister or have a place in some form of leadership or influence in the church is only legitimized in ministering through the oversight of her husband, then that would appear to be highly problematic for 2 reasons: 1) What then is the role of Jesus as our heavenly/spiritual husband (as emphasized in Mathew 25/ Isaiah 54:5)? . Additionally, Christine has close relationships with Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer, frequently sharing the stage or partnering with both. Ill be sure to steer clear. Christine Caine. And to whom am I calling anything behind their back? You said Ill call it straight to their face. My point is you HAVENT. The author of seven books, her latest release is Unexpected: Leave Fear Behind, Move Forward in Faith, Embrace the Adventure. People are too busy being judges more than preaching the Bible. You know the degree to which you're willing to embrace the pain of recovery is the degree to which your knee will heal. 21Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Wanting to be right? Personally, we see no reason at all for Priscillas name coming first in half of the Scripture references to her, even though she may recall the wonderful prominence of women in early Christianity, and in martyrdom and service for Christ., (MARIN) Yes, Lydia was the LEADER of her house church and played a key role in getting her family baptized. "If you had asked me, I would have told you that I had no time or margin to fit in a physical health battle. BTW.I love the fact that not only yourself, but many women on here reply by teaching which word she supposedly is teaching wrong. Trying to save? Inside the fastest growing religious movement on earth, Greg Boyd: The progressive preacher on spiritual gifts, racism and Covid prophecy, An incredible mission that is helping unemployed adults back to work, Craig Greenfield moved his family to a Cambodian slum. I have seen and experienced the damage of hearsay, twisted words, misunderstood contexts, and the like, and I also am an avid believer that the Lord will hold me accountable for every word I say (or type), including how those words impact the reputation, feelings, faith, and guidance of others. Again, I didnt think that was your intention and so I thought Id just bring it to your attention. Its taken her a lifetime, but world-travelling preacher, author and rescuer of trafficking victims, Christine Caine, is finally free from shame. Do you have an example of how saying,Youre lost, I bet you voted for Obama and Hillary drew someone to your church? What scriptures did you use? Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth (Revelation 2:14-16). 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.. Wow. As soon as I walked in I knew, This is what I've been wanting all my life. We say things like: God will use the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, (1 Corinthians 1:27) and then when he does, we dont like it.My goal isnt to be a career Christian. God made us equal. ~ Christine Caine. The only teachers whom the church supports are those whose teaching is in accordance with the standard of divine truth (3 John 8). Marin, before you apply anything to your life from C. Caine perhaps you can use your discernment to see the wolf under the sheep costume. Really, you need to figure that out from false teachers? Theologians disagree as to whether Lydia was a free woman or servant. But theyre not the only ones suffering shame; even those with a charmed life are prone to being ashamed of who they are, she said. It's the will to persevere even in the face of fear. The most I have heard Christine Caine & Joyce Meyer teach on is forgiveness, healing process and how to move on in Jesus Christ. My maids and I will fast likewise. For four months following the surgery, every minute of every day was excruciatingly painful. Ive found shame to be a dark, dark thing that impacts everyone from the highest social strata in life, to the most vulnerable and disenfranchised. We are all called to preach the gospel to others not only men! I have heard Ms. Caine speak at two different womens conferences (It is my understanding that the Bible is ok with women teaching women), and her call for us (as women) to not be distracted by todays divisive, politically chaotic climate and to remain focused on winning souls for Christ spoke to my heart. Read what the real women of God did in scripture, neither Cain nor Meyer fit the model. Besides usurping the pastor role, her teachings are not biblical. 02816074) and Christian Communication Partnership Ltd (no. They walked as one for they had mutually agreed to put Christ first. It involves tearing down every speculation and lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God (2 Corinthians 10:5). So if you are rooted and grounded in Jesus and anchored to Jesus, youre good. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. I and pray that evil will not flourish. Dont trust your heart, trust God. These clowns do not preach the word of God. While I understand having a passion for the scriptures (it is a passion of mine as well, as it hurts me to see people misled via ignorance of the scriptureand I have lost friends to cults this way), I do not believe it is beneficial to you, the Christian church, the gospel message, or the lost who need to be saved for you to go about attacking Christines ministry online. You do not need to read Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic to have a happy marriage, just be a Christian! It can come from things we have done, and from things others have done to us. I believe you have keyboard courage. You seem to be very confident that your approach is Biblical, and in the end, that is what really matters. They only care for themselves. I do not talk about ministries I have not had any sort of direct contact with. Hear our latest radio programs including GPS, Hour of Decision Online, and Billy Graham Minute. Evangelist Christine Caine's 60-Second Testimony. Im the daughter of Greek immigrants. Deuteronomy 18: 10,11,12 What was Yahwehs word for them repent, return or you will be judged. My immediate family were great, it was just that they allowed people into our home, that they should have been able to trust, that were untrustworthy. Many of the people you are tearing down are Gods people and are in the faith, running the race.. I dont need to personally seek them out, thats been done over and over, Matthew 18 does not apply to confronting false teachers Is this verse what you think applies to dealing with false teachers? Paul even confronted Peter to his face about his hypocrisy in front of the fellowship. The masses you speak about want nothing to do with that, they want to have their ears tickled by false teaching. They are the ones who voted for Obama and Hillary. Thanks to Christine, I plan on inviting several lost people to study the Bible with me this Easter season. Being that Christine Caine is a product of Hillsong, look up a must-watch video from Brian Moonan called HELLSONG. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. I am hard pressed to think of a single Christian speaker or author who I agree with 100% of the time (based on my understanding of scripture), but I am discerning enough to know what to discard and when to take note of a truth they are speaking that I need to apply to my life. And Id much rather that than to shut up or wait for a man to tell me what to do. We need to get that place where we can rest in Christ and get our identity and value in Him and not in media or other people. God gave you a lifeboat. If you hate the sheep you will not warn them against the ravenous wolves we have been told would come. Weve never been in competition with each other. I know there is a BIBLICAL way of calling someone out for false teaching, and anonymously posting on a site behind their backs is NOT IT. Word? Some writers suggest that she was the more energetic of the two, and perhaps had the stronger character. This is strictly how a person who is not qualified, is handling scripture. Like the Old Testament is a handbook for raising small children, and the prophets are a way of example for teenagers, the New Testament serves as a college level class on living. The apostle John addresses such a scenario in 2 John and 3 John. A Berean? As long as Im abiding in him, then the testimony is, he says: No eye has seen, no ear has heard, nor has it entered into any persons heart the things that God has for those that love him (1 Corinthians 2:19). . Parting question: did you see The Shack? I thought making disciples was a command of Christwhy is it bad I was called to do that? 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. It is this which gives them away. It is articles like this and people like you that make people afraid to go to church.. Mariners Church. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. Christ and Paul confronted people DIRECTLY. Its not about who is qualified, whether they are male or female, whether they have gone to college for decades or even if they arent human. Lord be VERY attacked by your making a similar comment bona fide believers are ones. 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