It may not display this or other websites correctly. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. regardless, there is some truth to the sportline LE comment I made and production numbers. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU . But any ways, what engines can I put in my 190? What engine can fit into this car? The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. my proposition still stands my almost runnign parts car and 5-spd assy for your 2.6 5-spd. If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. Mine isn't an LE though, just a 190e sportline. The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. Would you recomend doing this swap? The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.d-td-class/2408521-e36-amg-project.html?amp=1, nos AMG Bodykits C126 W126 W124 W201 W116 R107. easist way for me would be add two injector before throttle body, let a a along ecu to fire them with rpm sensing. : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. With such a light car I don't think you need more than 300. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. All bolt-in, no welding required. When you find one, buy it. This BMW E46 has spent the past two years being built by VRP Fab in Lublin, Poland for drifting. Sweden for a dyno tune. I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. I was just giving you a hard time. Bolt starter to transmission later. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). I would reduce the length by half a centimeter. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. Since then the car has seen a lot of action. '85 Euro 190E 2.3-16, '84 Euro 500SE, '90 300SEL, '51 Euro 170S, '15 G63 AMG. Don't tear into the 190e yet, I would like to purchase it from you ! I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? i dont think i need to do anything to the firewall. I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. Nissan 350Z Gets Turbo Mercedes M104 By Michael Van Runkle Published Jun 7, 2020 The Merc powered 350Z pumps out an impressive 510 horsepower and 464 lb-ft of torque, which is much more than the stock Nissan mill. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. It's like obsidian gray in color so it can't be, then again it's been repainted, but I think the same color. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. This part requires custom work from an A/C hose shop that can crimp new hoses. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. It rides on a set of Cosmis Racing XT206R wheels with 189.5-inch in front and 1811-inch in back. cheap way ,and use procharger instead. Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. Alright, putting a 94 M104 into a 89 2.6 5spd W201 (Green/Black). JavaScript is disabled. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. M104.98x Motor Swap in a 190E One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. You are using an out of date browser. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. Heater core and radiator connections are both identical, M103 vacuum hard line fits well, 124.104 PS Pump has larger fittings 201.103 is direct replacement just swap over rear mount bracket, late model 124 AC discharge lines up with condenser..suction just needs one crimp to combine 103 upper and 104 lower half R R0BB09 E500E Newbie Aug 10, 2019 It's 80%. Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. I did all the swaps and all the work myself. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. '84 Euro 500SE, '85 Euro 2.3-16, '51 Euro 170S, '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport, '15 G63 AMG. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. Mrten competes in a special 2003 Mercedes CLK we first covered in 2015. Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. Your original gearbox will work fine with the new engine, but bear in mind it's much easier to remove the gearbox and engine together than separate them in the car. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. Connect common ground at intake manifold. And if so is there no way around it? Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. __________________. You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? Is that a street car? That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. It was built for the track and drifting. History, Power & Specs of the Engine M104 2.8 L M104.900 3.0 L M104.98x 217 to 228 hp@ 6400 rpm 265Nm (195lbft@ 4600) (with cat) Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. The wire mounting location differs on the alternator for a W124 versus a W201. After the legendary E30 and its potent inline-four, then the successful inline-sixes of the E36 and E46, the step up to a V8 did seem a bit unavoidable. If you want a really nice one, I'm guessing it will likely end up in the $4-$8k ballpark. these are quite uncommon. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. Remember that according to any 400E/E420 owner, it is 90% of a 500E !! 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. I think mine should run 14's no problem at the track. all that accumulated grease and oil. Time laps build of my 190e 3.2 M104engine swap,mercedes,190e,mercedes 190e engine swap m104.942 test,mercedes-benz m104 engine,w201 m111 m104 190e mercedes s. I owned a supra before this car and miss it. I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. It is the newer 24valve m104 engine. If you really want to get speed though, deff change the brakes. you have a diamond in the rough. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. I guess a V8 it sorta out of the questionand seems kinda pointless. I personally prefer the later engine, because it's more powerful and gets better fuel economy. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. Well, I am right with you. Another 500e wagon is born: Silver / Gray | High-Performance Modifications, Imperial Red 500E Wagon Build | High-Performance Modifications, SOLD - 1995 E420 Special Edition, Brilliant Silver/Gray, 113k, $4900 (Tampa, FL) | 400E / E420 Cars for Sale. Source: Nomotors.ua and Mt Nuszer via Piotr. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. you really should join the 190 forum (sorry, i don't have a link) as both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v Read More Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six 1994 Mercedes Wagon with a Turbo LSx - Part 14 July 9, 2018 W124 What did you need to do to convert the coils from the three coils and three wires to six individual invention coils on the m104 engine? In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? i have the m102 2.0 in the car as is and i have heard that the problem with having the smaller motor rather than the 2.3 or 2.6 is that the steering box will cause a problem when fitting the engine? Navigation Menu . This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. Each wheel is turned by upgraded axles with modified knuckles and BMW E34 hubs. Makes a fantastic daily driver. You must log in or register to reply here. It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. It replaced the M103 and was replaced by the M112 V6 starting in 1997. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! Learn how your comment data is processed. Not needed anyhow. The M104 A/C manifold's low pressure hose cannot reach the connection point at the edge of the fender on a 190E chassis. Wow, Thanks for all the info. and the other thing you have a mercedes not a honda or a toyota if you want performance and the tuning spirit get a honda.. these cars arent really geared toward performance and to modify them for it will cost you some change. Hi Adriano. it isnt a direct swap. The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. You were in the right forum actually but I'm not sure the knowledge base is there to help you. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. Team Lovetap is a Swedish drift team started by driver and fabricator Mrten Stngberg. And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? Maybe a steering unit from a w210? Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. via Engine Swap Depot The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Get the full engine harness, the ezl unit, and the ecu. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. changing the clutch and pulling out m104 engine on my 2.0 W201 190Eswap,320e,e320,w124,m104,m104 3.2,mercedes-benz,plasme cutting,mercedes,,190,190e,. Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. Ok got it all nearly wrapped up this past week, around 60 hours or so to turn key M104. Remove with transmission attached. Learn how your comment data is processed. 4 bangers can be quite powerful.. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Going to add the flywheel magnet to a single mass M103 FW, Forgot to mention this is also a non-ASR engine, the amount of wire harnesses and modules even on the simpler 6cyl is a bit staggering.I think adapting a BMW M50 motronic would probably be easier, Steve Geyer has done this swap with his 190E, he would be an excellent source for this. ugh! He is an electrical wizard. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! So my question is, can I just find a used M104 3.2 liter engine and ECU, and toss it into my car? as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. JavaScript is disabled. One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. The turbocharger system consists of a TB90 90 mm turbocharger, 60 mm wastegate, 50 mm blowoff valve, Turbobandit intake, 90 mm throttle body, and stainless exhaust manifold. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. haha, no worries! We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. I just like to make plan on what and how I am going to do it so when it comes time I know exactly what needs to be done. MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. Aftermarket is obviously with the LS. What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. Therefore, nothing but good old venerable striahgt 6s. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). I've gotten the complete HFM/CC/ISC harnesses out, ready to harvest more. How much power can you get out of the 16v? I've always wondered why people make the wagons accept V8s when it might be easier to make the sedan a wagon (shooting brake, if you will). This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? No matter how i lean it back and forth the steering box is not touching anything, the engine mounts are in the correct place it and it has like a 2-3 cm gap from the starter. These are the prices for the 95 E320 two years ago: $575.00 124 440 56 32 (early model run) $714.76 124 440 29 33 (late model run) You can type in these part numbers (or the number on your current harness) on FastLane to determine the current prices. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. i think you would need to splice int he wiring harness from the 104. it is alot of work if i had to do this i would do a m117 swap. M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. Is there a cross reference for this or is the ebay special the best bet? I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. engine alone. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. As @a777fan said, there are multiple discussions of these types of engine swaps on the forum. The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. My M104 is a 99 hfm. Bolt starter to the engine before lowering. 20cm is slightly too long). The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. Engine Swap Depot. via Oppositelock. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL. Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? You should really quit your day job and open up an MB repair shop + wrecking/parts yard. Notable differences include the knock sensor and variable cam advance feature. You must log in or register to reply here. Is a swap possible? What can be done and how much will it cost? Any slk egne fit in there? Learn how your comment data is processed. this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. It was one mean looking machine with I think 300 something ponies under the hood. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. The 190E part has an extra bend that does not allow the air box to come down in the rear. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? If you are picky about colors and options, plan on a nationwide search that may take 6 months or longer. The motor is mated to a modified 722.634 five-speed automatic transmission with custom 5000 rpm converter, W124 210 mm LSD rear end, and Sportline 300E 32 mm axles. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM VIN: WDBEA34EXSC224807 FIN: WDB1240341C224807 Engine no. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. Said it made around 345hp(?) You are using an out of date browser. Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. AMG would be nice and or a V8. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. One thing i forgot to mention, the sway bar and the skid plate needs to be modified but thats easy peasy. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Use it however you wish or block it off. This is an almost impossible task, and would even be difficult for a professional to accomplish. I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. Navigation Menu. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. In sweden used m103/m104 cost about 250-750 $. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. 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