yes Ive mixed up the flow and return before, fire up the boiler and then feel with your hand wether its the left or right hand pipe that gets hot first off the top of the boiler. Piping in series can cause the first heater to fail sooner than the second. The condensate volume is relatively small compared to the pipe capacity, and the additional space enables internal balancing so that the trap does not steam-lock. Control equations. On a long drive once, in a hot summer, on a stretch of the Hume where rolling, sheep-ravaged hills the colour of bone gave glimpses of a long train full of wheat, my father-in-law explained train wheels to me: how they ran, how they turned, how they stayed on the tracks. This is what the bigger bore free flow return is for. Hot Water from Sun The diagram below indicates typical minimum collector area and storage volume vs. occupants in a household for solar hot water production. 5053 (Feb. 2013). The online version of the article includes animated figures courtesy of TLV Corp. Condensate return systems can have a big impact on productivity, energy efficiency, and site reliability. header was sized for liquid flow without consideration of flashing condensate or leaking steam traps. However, larger is always better. The pipe that gets hot first is the one marked H Return, so is actually the flow pipe and I can trace it back to the 'flow' outlet on the boiler, but that's why I'm confused when I read the posts about pipes being the wrong way around at the boiler. Check the capacity of installed condensate pumps in relation to return line flow rates. The direction is important on a column rad though I believe. Discuss Flow and Return in the Plumbing Forum | Plumbing Advice area at PlumbersForums.net, Reply to Flow and Return in the Plumbing Forum | Plumbing Advice area at PlumbersForums.net, Welcome to PlumbersForums.net - The international free. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This decreases system head loss, which may, in turn, reduce circulator size. Then at the end of boot up a snapshot is taken so that user space does not overwrite the boot up data. In the November AIChE Journal Perspective article, High-Throughput Methods Using Composition and Structure Spread Libraries, John Kitchin and Andrew Gellman of Carnegie Mellon Univ. The more steam added, the larger the pockets that can collect and collapse (Figure 12). A technical analysis revealed that more than 90 small condensate branch lines fed into the main return header, and the combined estimated flow from those lines required a flow capability equivalent of at least 14 2-in. By closing this message or continuing to use our site, you agree to the use of cookies. Apply friction loss per length of pipe run, and friction equivalents (in straight pipe length) of the various tees, elbows, and other fittings in the line to these results. 1. There are many individual components, including curves, t-junctions, and a non-return duct. He added a drain of to the left pipe. have not refilled system yet or tuned on boiler. A hacksaw can do the work faster if it has fresh blade attached to it. A beautifully designed window air conditioner with the latest environmental-friendly R32 refrigerant gas that runs more quietly than most other window ACs. However, just because two or more branches are piped in reverse return does not imply that each branch will operate at the same flow rate. 5168447 9. When flash steam or small amounts of live steam are present in a condensate return, the volume of the steam pocket can be large even if the steam mass is small (due to steams much greater specific volume). There is no loose part or rattling noise. If thermostatic mixing valves (TMVs) are fitted, these ensure the . At any moment, he thought, he might scream. JavaScript is disabled. This series fixes that. If it is the return heating up first I'd be getting the plumber back straight away to pipe it up right, obviously never tested and commissioned the boiler, certainly wouldn't use him again. The first effort to reduce hammer should be to identify then repair leaking steam traps and close all open bypasses. #1 doitall New Member Look in the manufacturers instruction manual and it will show you the flow and return connections. Cloudflare is currently unable to resolve your requested domain. Ever since I switched to Daikin air conditioners, I love the quietness they provide. doitall, Jan 6, 2007 #2 britishblue New Member The only way is either to trace the pipework, but as you say no access from above, it means you're back to having to ask the plumber that installed it. (b) The mass of condensate is relatively high, pulling heat from the steam, which causes the steam pockets to collapse, thereby creating a localized low-pressure void. Checks Again, the first port of call should be to check that the existing cold mains and hot outlets are correctly installed, and different coloured tape can also come in handy here too. 1. What kind of sales do you expect in 2023? Because the condensate cannot be discharged into the pressurized line easily, it is first discharged into a vented tank, from which the flash steam is removed. 1. Beyond pipe sizing All rads except the bathroom have TRVs on them. The circulator is set to the differential pressure required at design load conditions (when all branches are open). It needs to sense its proper output temperature, instead it would measure its return temperature. The condensate must be pumped from the vented tank to the collecting tank, and then pumped from the collecting tank to the boiler. To produce chilled water, the refrigerant absorbs heat from the water and thus, chilling the water to about 6.7C (44F). Nowadays with combi boilers, sealed systems and bottom opposite end fed radiators, it isnt as crucial as it used to be. which blows seals. The flow and returns won't get mixed up. Learn strategies that have and can be used to qualify your invention as nonobvious. It may not display this or other websites correctly. A suggested sizing criterion is to select the header piping for a flow velocity of about 2 feet per second when carrying the total flow produced by all boiler circulators running simultaneously. On bi directional valve it looks like a capital L with arrowpoints on the ends. The definition of 'pipe' excludes a flue pipe and a pipe used for ventilation purposes, other than a ventilating pipe for an above-ground drainage system." You could be forgiven for not realising the role, or even the presence of pipework amongst plenty of heating-related paraphernalia. The initial cost saving from not having to buy balancing valves may be superseded by the cost of the additional return pipes. Water hammer may be generated by different steam or flash steam sources, far from or upstream of the convergence point of transport piping. Everything is built with care. This, in turn, may prompt the operator to open the bypass valve in an attempt to mitigate the production issue, causing even more steam to leak into the return with the probable outcome of higher backpressure negatively affecting other production equipment. The branch flows in the direct return system will not be equal. Normally, balancing valves are used to create pressure drops so that different lengths of pipes are compensated in order to achieve balance and prevent underflow or overflow. Looking for a quick bit of advice since I'm trying to wrap my head around what work I need done. Rather than performing the flash calculations by hand, it is easier and quicker to use the online engineering calculators that are available from steam trap manufacturers. When steam enters a return system that is filled with cooler condensate, steam pockets form. Special thanks to Hiroaki Yuri for animation production, Jeremy Galloway and Taisuke Shindo for content coordination, and Drew Mohr and Justin McFarland for graphics. The best solution is use of a variable-speed circulator operating in proportional differential control mode. Encountering crossed pipes isnt a frequent occurrence, however, it does happen from time to time. Then you'd probably need 2-4 1" loc-line outputs strung all around the tank. All you may be doing is swapping a trv from a flow pipe to the return. If it is below this, advise whoever oversees the site so the necessary actions can be taken to remedy the issue. header, our consulting service team recommended the installation of a carefully placed flash vessel (Figure 17), to remove flash from the main header and redirect it to atmosphere. Learn different types of HVAC components used in residential and commercial buildings. Water hammer occurs when slugs of liquid condensate fill the cross-sectional area of the pipe and are propelled by high-velocity steam against the pipe walls (Figure 6). pipe. It is extremely difficult to ensure equal pressure drops in all segments by just relying on the reverse return piping setup, without balancing valves. However, if there is no other vapor present, that can create significant water hammer. Maximum volume flow through main pipes is determined by the maximum demand of the fittings and statistic demand based on the number and types of fittings and equipment supplied. Besides, having longer large diameter pipes means the energy losses are greater and hence, the operating cost is higher. Risko, J. R., Use Available Data to Lower System Cost, presented at the Industrial Energy Technology Conference, www.tlv.com/global/US/articles/use-available-data-to-lower-system-cost.html (May 2011). You are using an out of date browser. Would you not be as well to connect it into the free flow fitting to keep the oil cool? This can result in unwanted noise, or overheating and inefficiency. So, I did some research. . Nonflashing condensate lines can typically be sized based on the equipment outlet size or the steam trap inlet connection size, whichever is larger. The distribution piping can make a complete loop around the inside of the building, starting and ending in the mechanical room. In addition, the plant had previously stopped performing steam trap surveys and proactive repair, which most likely allowed even more steam to discharge into the header. When equipment does not drain condensate, the equipments production falters. He added a drain of to the left pipe. would not make any difference as to how hot the radiators get if the flow and returns were mixed up, if you had single direction Thermostatic radiator valves you might get a noise nuisance as the valves tried to close nothing else. Figure 14. Otherwise, Tank 1 will be overloaded because it is the first one to receive cold water supply (CWS) and also the first one to provide hot water supply (HWS). Here the return type will be the same as the type of whatever value is passed into the function. Three other common sources of steam in condensate return lines are: In the first scenario, a leaking steam trap, live steam passes through the steam trap directly into the condensate return system. Steam trap manufacturers offer free tools to estimate the monetary value of recoverable condensate. 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